Tag Archives: ALC24ST

Even More ALC Markings

ALC24ST — ca. 1935.  Alcoa Aluminum advertisement, Aviation, May 1935, pg. 9. (Image also reproduced in Aero Digest article below.)  Link:  http://archive.org/stream/Aviation_Week_1935-04-01#page/n25/mode/1up

ALC24ST — ca. 1936.  Douglas fuselage frame in “Development of Aluminum for Aircraft,” C.F. Nagel, Jr., Aluminum Company of America, Aero Digest, Feb. 1936, pg. 27.  Link: http://archive.org/stream/aerodigest2819unse#page/n148/mode/1up

ALC 24ST — ca. 1936.  “Spot Welding vs. Riveting,” Aviation, Oct. 1936, pg. 29.  Link:  http://archive.org/stream/Aviation_Week_1936-10-01#page/n14/mode/1up

ALC24ST — ca. 1937.  “Thrills of the Navy Test Pilots,” Popular Mechanics, Aug. 1937, pg. 227.  Link: http://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_79oDAAAAMBAJ#page/n123/mode/2up

ALC24ST — ca. 1937.  Alcoa Aluminum advertisement, Aviation, Nov. 1937, pg. 9.  Link: http://archive.org/stream/Aviation_Week_1937-11-01#page/n4/mode/1up

ALC24ST — ca. 1938.  Rear cover, Curtiss Fly Leaf, December 1938.  Link:  http://p40hawksnest.co.nf/Curtiss/CFL/CFL38Dec.html

ALC24ST — ca. 1939.  “Slots Are Here to Stay,” Kurt Rand, Popular Aviation, Oct. 1939.  Link:  http://books.google.com/books?id=NR6fckxHa4UC&pg=PA51#v=onepage

ALC24ST — ca. 1940.  “Are You Qualified?”, Hurd Barrett, Flying Magazine, Oct. 1940. pg. 32.  Link: http://books.google.com/books?id=CJVLeVu8dxMC&lpg=PA1&pg=PA32#v=onepage

ALC24SRT — ca. 1940.  “Assembling of a DC-3 / C-47 aircraft, ca.1940,” California Historical Society Collection.  Link:  http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/ref/collection/p15799coll65/id/10435

ALC24ST — ca. 1940.  “A man working on fuselage in the factory,”  George Strock/The LIFE Picture Collection/Getty Images.  Link:  http://www.gettyimages.com/license/50452689

ALC24ST — ca. 1941.  “Curtis Wright,” Dmitri Kessel, April 1941.  Link:  http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/asset/curtis-wright/CQF4HZsxtsB_9Q

ALC24ST — ca. 1941.  “B-17E Flying Fortress Camera Pit Below Radio Compartment.”  Link:  http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%20Flying%20Fortress%20Camera%20Pit%20Below%20Radio%20Compartment-2F3XC569VIN.html and http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%20Flying%20Fortress%20Camera%20Pit%20Below%20Radio%20Compartment-2F3XC56983J.html

ALC24ST — ca. 1942.  Although other aluminum markings were introduced in the early 1940s, the leading edge of this wing still shows faded “ALC24ST” markings.  Link: http://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8b05338/

ALC24ST — unknown [DC-3].  Handbook of Instructions for the Transport Model DC3-277B for American Airlines, Inc., Douglas Aircraft Company, Inc., pgs. 11, 34, 64, 89, 106A, 145.  Link: http://www.avialogs.com/viewer/avialogs-documentviewer.php?id=3248

ALC24ST — unknown [P-36].  P-40 Warhawk in Detail, Part 1: Y1P-36 through P-40C, Bert Kinzey, pg. 26.  Link: http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/var/resizes/Profiles/Detail-&-Scale/61-Curtiss-P-40/

 

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1943 Alclad Marking Documentation: “Aircraft Production Standards”

Additional documentation of ALCLAD aluminum markings from the 1943 publication Aircraft Production Standards, Stuart Leavell and Stanley Bungay, McGraw-Hill, 1943. (http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001040026)

The entire text is not currently available online, but Google Books allows viewing of snippets of the work including the following: “A typical identifying code such as 24ST ALC may be used for an example. This group of numbers and letters will be found stamped repeatedly across the surface of sheet metal. Here the numerals 24 indicate a specific alloy. By referring to the table on page 253, it is possible to find the materials and their percentages used in the composition of this alloy.”

(Source: http://www.google.com/search?amp;channel=sb&tbm=bks&q=%22A+typical+identifying+code+such+as+24ST+ALC+may+be+used+for+an+example.%22)

1930s and Early 1940s ALCOA Aluminum Markings

Documented examples of 1930s and early 1940s aluminum markings. Click each image to enlarge.

All known photographs of aluminum markings from the 1930s show Alcoa Alclad aluminum was marked “ALC24ST” and “ALC24SRT”.

Photographs show “ALC24ST” and “ALC24SRT” markings on aluminum in aircraft from:

  • Boeing
  • Douglas
  • Lockheed
  • Severski
  • Glenn L. Martin Co.

Boeing XB-17 (Model 299):

Boeing XB-17[Click Image to Enlarge]

Douglas DC-3:

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Seversky P-35:

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Unknown Glenn L. Martin Co. Aircraft:

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Unknown Douglas Aircraft:

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Caltech Thesis:

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Earhart’s Electra:

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alc24st-engine-mount copy[Click Image to Enlarge]

Lockheed Electra:

  • Marking: ALC24ST
  • Font: serif
  • Aircraft: Electra
  • Company / Factory: Lockheed
  • Date: N/A
  • Source: “Lockheed Aircraft Corp. Report No. 421”. (Internal pages include dates from 1934 to 1936.)
  • Notes: Via private communication. No online source at this time.

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Aircraft Template Development (1942):

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wing-image-book-inset[Click Image to Enlarge]

NACA TN No. 752, Investigation of Sheet-Stiffener Panels (1940):

test-specimen-dunn-alclad[Click Image to Enlarge]

George Arnold Photo:

alc24srt-china-inset[Click Image to Enlarge]

NACA TN 883 (1943):

  • Marking: ALC24ST
  • Font: serif
  • Aircraft: N/A
  • Company / Factory: Alcoa
  • Publication Date: 1943
  • Source: “TESTS OF ALUMINUM ALLOY STIFFENED SHEET SPECIMENS CUT FROM AN AIRPLANE WING”, Marshall Holt, TECHNICAL NOTES, NATIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR AERONAUTICS No. 883, Aluminum Company of America, Washington, January 1943. (http://hdl.handle.net/2060/19930081583)
  • Notes:

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OTHER FRAGMENTARY OR NON-ALCLAD EXAMPLES WITH SIMILAR MARKINGS SIZE AND MARKINGS FONT:

TBD Devastator:

tbd[Click Image to Enlarge]

Boeing 314 Clipper:

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Airplane Metal Work, Vol. 2 (1941):

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alc24st-image[Click Image to Enlarge]

F-10-G Fleet:

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Mech. Prop. of Flush-Riveted Joints (1940):

  • Marking: N/A
  • Font: serif
  • Aircraft: N/A
  • Company / Factory: N/A
  • Publication Date: 1940
  • Source: Bruggeman, Wm. C. & Roop, Frederick C., “Mechanical Properties of Flush-Riveted Joints”. UNT Digital Library. http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc65026/.
  • Notes:

naca pg39 high_res[Click Image to Enlarge]

To Do:
– Add Lockheed Electra
– Add DC-2 example
– Add examples from the Alcoa Aluminum book
– To add: http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac3/Airline/TWA%20Douglas%20DC-2.html

Other Sources to Investigate:
– Marking regulations. War Dept. TM: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3241791;view=2up;seq=16
– Airplane Metal Work: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019904690;view=2up;seq=36
– Aircraft Sheet Metal: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015024027636;view=2up;seq=40
– PC and ALC abbrev.: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b317251;view=2up;seq=118
– Color markings (British?): http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015063583184;view=2up;seq=14
– General discussions of abbreviations: ( http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b65154;view=2up;seq=66, http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090519133;view=2up;seq=124, http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015049832671;view=2up;seq=208, http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090515669;view=2up;seq=88, http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090515388;view=1up;seq=424 )
– Too small to read: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b317215;view=2up;seq=100

Aluminum Markings Online

Online photographs showing examples of ALC24ST and ALCLAD markings, primarily dating from the WWII-era:

http://s982.photobucket.com/user/GunnerySgtJackson/media/B24crashsite020.jpg.html?sort=3&o=76
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f381/can-aluminum-skin-be-welded-92625.html
http://colesaircraft.blogspot.com/2012/11/anatomy-of-p-51-mustang-loss.html
http://vanislesecret.blogspot.com/2007/09/historic-64-year-old-dakota-crash-site.html
http://aluminiumidler.blogspot.com/2010/04/endcapitus.html
[repro] http://www.vulturesrowaviation.com/helldiver10_2010.html
[black ink? maybe not alclad] http://746project.wordpress.com/parts/right-wing/right-wing/dsc01995/
http://746project.wordpress.com/parts/right-wing/left-wing/ (http://746project.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/dsc02016.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1266421967/1266668813/HELP+NEEDED-WW2+wreck+parts+identification-B-17–
http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_8.html
http://i.imgur.com/OdDawew.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kEvPkaN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rwZcVZq.jpg
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/douglas/wrecks/mavis/mavis.html
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/c-47/43-16261/index.html

http://www.airstream.com/files/library/ba001792c0a731f5.pdf
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:B17F_-_Woman_workers_at_the_Douglas_Aircraft_Company_plant,_Long_Beach,_Calif.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Production_of_B-24_bombers_and_C-87_transports.jpg
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/battlefield-archaeology/recent-finds-ww2-uk-airfield-7466/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebull/255312057/in/set-72157594303862783
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebull/255312128/in/set-72157594303862783
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebull/255318615/in/set-72157594303862783/
[russian] http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?t=36096
http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Starfire94C/media/Stringer24ST_zpsd72819dc.jpg.html
http://tighar.org/smf/index.php?topic=1048.15
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?47463-Liberator-crash-at-Fairy-Lochs-1945
http://www.fold3.com/image/37129850/
http://www.fold3.com/image/32184644/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41192/m1/1/sizes/xl/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth40951/m1/1/sizes/xl/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41051/m1/1/sizes/xl/
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joe_Cobb,_former_%22fat_boy%22_in_the_original_%22Our_Gang%22_comedies,_now_helps_build_B-25_bombers_at_the_Inglewood…_-_NARA_-_195480.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Workers_assembling_the_bottom_of_an_aircraft_-_NARA_-_196496.jpg
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/9938422523ab8f69.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f95644dfb9490a7f.html
http://www.taphilo.com/history/wwii/usaaf/boeing/B29/h304-1.jpg
http://i0.wp.com/www.retronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/830.jpg?resize=599%2C400
[not alclad, some other marking] http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41096/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41069/
[tubing] http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth40982/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth40771/m1/1/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41041/m1/1/sizes/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41064/m1/1/sizes/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41226/m1/1/
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41101/m1/1/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b05307/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d36730/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001038285/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001039211/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b07899/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oem2002006843/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b07943/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oem2002006940/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oem2002006941/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oem2002006942/PP/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b07947/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b09797/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d34420/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d34421/
http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/aircraft/14oct42.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4564951590/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4564320277/in/photostream/
[backward] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528364733/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528723274/
[reynolds] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528714094/
[reynolds] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/5019025296/

http://www.ilmasotakoulunkilta.fi/IlmaSK/ilmaskmma.nsf/sp?open&cid=Content6685E&screen=blogentryscreen&blogid=Content6685E
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528711784/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528352113/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12528346613/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12002811563/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/10317525683/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/10317388326/
http://www.p-35.com/new_page_3.htm
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=186428

NEW!

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090515685;view=1up;seq=87
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090515685;view=1up;seq=89
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89090515685;view=1up;seq=48
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019904690;view=2up;seq=76
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019904690;view=2up;seq=50
http://earchives.lib.purdue.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/earhart&CISOPTR=529&CISOBOX=1&REC=3 (URI: ark:/34231/c6p26w46)
http://earchives.lib.purdue.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/earhart&CISOPTR=344&CISOBOX=1&REC=3 (URI: ark:/34231/c6n014h4)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2images/6897490685
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Douglas%32%34Rosies%34%32Riveting%32a%32Leading%32Edge%32Subassembly-2F3XC5M71AE.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Woman%32Worker%32at%32North%32American’s%32Kansas%32City%32Assembly%32Facility,%32circa%321943-2F3XC5W5B2I.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17%32Manufacturing%32at%32Douglas%32Long%32Beach%32Plant-2F3XC5WOCNO.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Boeing%32Factory%32Worker%32Drills%32Rivets-2F3XC5O01CD.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Boeing%32Employees%32Bucks%32Rivets%32on%32a%32307%32Stratoliner%32Fuselage-2F3XC5O0VOB.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Outer%32Wing%32Rivetter,%32Douglas%32A-20-2F3XC5MNSFG.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17%32Manufacturing%32at%32Douglas%32Long%32Beach%32Plant-2F3XC5WOCNO.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Flying%32Fortress%32Camera%32Pit%32Below%32Radio%32Compartment-2F3XC569VIN.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-29%32Superfortress%32Wing%32Production,%32Rosie%32the%32Riveter-2F3XC5JZ48N.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17%32Flying%32Fortress%32Construction-2F3XC5BF5S4.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Woman%32Drilling%32a%32B-17%32Flying%32Fortress%32During%32Assembly-2F3XC5BF86U.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Women%32Riveting-2F3XC5L7B6H.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Woman%32Installs%32New%32Waist%32Guns%32on%32B-17%32Flying%32Fortress-2F3XC5BZKMX.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Boeing%32B-17G%32Navigator’s%32Station-2F3XC5PX3M7.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Boeing%32Factory%32Worker%32Drills%32Rivets-2F3XC5O01CD.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Bomb%32Bay%32Looking%32Forward%32Prior%32to%32Equipment%32Installation-2F3XC569YKV.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32OTO%32Compartment%32Floor%32Frames-2F3XC56JCS6.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Flying%32Fortress%32Circumference%32Stiffener%32Installation-2F3XC569ZRE.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/P-51B%32Mustang%32Gun%32Wing-2F3XC5BEJIP.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12002881944/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12002811563/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/12002811393/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35963591@N00/4129625694/sizes/o/
http://www.shorpy.com/node/2022?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/2584?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/2732?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/4679?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/5150?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/12742?size=_original#caption
http://www.shorpy.com/node/17342?size=_original#caption
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32OTO%32Compartment%32Floor%32Frames-2F3XC56JCS6.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Flying%32Fortress%32Camera%32Pit%32Below%32Radio%32Compartment-2F3XC569VIN.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Flying%32Fortress%32Camera%32Pit%32Below%32Radio%32Compartment-2F3XC56983J.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17E%32Flying%32Fortress%32Circumference%32Stiffener%32Installation-2F3XC569ZRE.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-17%32Flying%32Fortress%32Construction-2F3XC5BF5S4.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Team%32Installs%32a%32B-17%32Flying%32Fortress%32Bomb%32Bay%32Catwalk-2F3XC5BFTW2.html
http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/Woman%32Drilling%32a%32B-17%32Flying%32Fortress%32During%32Assembly-2F3XC5BF86U.html
[1934] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/14067179107/sizes/o/

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http://images.google.com/hosted/life/94c7c4e4353573bb.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/3e6568f724f63abb.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/19bd400711a45451.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/b33fc263b4122206.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/66655f1fdd5eed74.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/275058b442716009.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/2edf222b42e7fcb4.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/4865458c4d8cf50e.html
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/054996cae6a10fb9.html

Stencilling and sheets, not necessarily ALCLAD:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b00608/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d07130/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b05105/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d42808/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b06275/

Combination of plate markings and thicker piece markings:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009844682;q1=alclad%20surface%20scratch;page=root;view=image;size=125;seq=501;num=483

(Credit: Thanks to many other researchers for helping discover these images and links.)